近日，國外某論壇的開拓者貼吧內(nèi)，美國開拓者球迷就楊瀚森新秀賽季前幾場比賽的表現(xiàn)進(jìn)行了討論：楊瀚森的表現(xiàn)怎么樣？他到底是不是水貨？且看美國開拓者球迷如何看待。

[–]TheCentralFlame 226 points 1 day ago

Dude is very young and hasn’t truly had the time to put on the lean muscle and build the stamina needed to play in the nba. He isn’t going to do much this year and he will be totally fine.

開拓者球迷：這小哥們兒還太嫩了點(diǎn)，還沒時(shí)間掛上NBA需要的肉量和練出體力槽。這賽季就別指望他carry全場了，這很正常，沒啥大不了的。

[–]jboareichalupa 265 points 1 day ago

He’s 20 in a completely different culture/country learning a league that’s way above what he’s used to. All while trying to learn the dominant language. Let’s check back at the end of the season and see how far he’s progressed.

開拓者球迷：人家才剛20歲，在個(gè)完全陌生的地兒，學(xué)著比自己過去水平高N個(gè)檔次的聯(lián)賽，還得順便攻克英語這門必修課。急啥，等賽季結(jié)束再驗(yàn)收成果唄。

[–]Dazzling-Instance714 80 points 1 day ago

Not to mention the huge pressure from Chinese fans. Half of the “new” fans there already decide to hate on him after finding out rookie Yang is not better than prime Yao, which is nuts… I totally agree with you, and I still have high hopes for him to become a solid player.

開拓者球迷：更別提中國球迷給的壓力山大了。一堆“新”球迷發(fā)現(xiàn)小楊不是巔峰姚明那種bug級存在，直接就開噴了，真離譜… 我頂你樓上的，我還是很看好他成為一名實(shí)力派球員的。

[–]aspazmodic27 30 points 1 day ago

I swear half the human species has forgotten that people both CAN grow, and that it takes time. Sucks in this sub. Pure impatient toxicity

開拓者球迷：我發(fā)誓一半人都忘了人是可以升級的，而且需要讀條時(shí)間。體育資訊沒救了，到處都是“前一天夸你像喬丹，轉(zhuǎn)天罵你是夸梅”的浮躁心態(tài)。

[–]spidyr 7 points 13 hours ago

Instant gratification culture and the boom/bust, who-won-who-lost focus of sports media has completely destroyed many folks' ability to just wait and see and not jump to conclusions. It's legitimately sad.

開拓者球迷：現(xiàn)在這“一秒都等不了”的文化，加上體育媒體天天搞“誰封神誰下水道”那套，把大家等待“讓子彈飛一會兒”的能力全整沒了，真沒勁。

[–]Charlie_Wax 67 points 1 day ago

I think they should consider Remix minutes, provided that they like the continuity with their G League affiliate. If that seems like a diss, Warriors did this with Poole, Post, and maybe Podziemski. Some of these young guys need high level game time. It's going to be hard to find NBA minutes for Yang this season if the Blazers want to be competitive because he's very raw.

開拓者球迷：我覺得該讓他去G聯(lián)賽練練級。別覺得是貶低他，勇士當(dāng)年也這么練普爾和波杰姆斯基的。有些小年輕就需要實(shí)戰(zhàn)經(jīng)驗(yàn)。開拓者要想沖戰(zhàn)績，這賽季很難給這塊“毛坯”小楊多少上場時(shí)間的。

[–]Tiny_Temperature4277 Matisse Thybulle 25 points 1 day ago

This would be great. Fill up the Chiles Center for once. Have him run pnr with Ashton Hagans.

開拓者球迷：那可太棒了！正好讓奇利斯中心（開拓者下屬球隊(duì)主場）也熱鬧一回。讓他和哈根斯多打打擋拆。

[–]AsiaNxNinja 2 points 1 day ago

I agree. I hope that happens soon. Let him get more runs

開拓者球迷：贊成！希望能盡快成行，讓他多上去跑跑。

[–]smangxx 90 points 1 day ago

He needs to work on his conditioning. It’s genuinely insane that he gets gassed after 5 minutes of play time.

開拓者球迷：他這體能得狠狠補(bǔ)補(bǔ)課。上去蹦跶五分鐘就直接累成狗，也太夸張了點(diǎn)。

[–]AceMcStacechalupa 60 points 1 day ago

Clingan got gassed a lot last year but Yang makes him look like he was a triathlon runner comparatively lol

開拓者球迷：去年克林根也老喘不上氣兒，但跟小楊這一對比，直接讓克林根看起來像個(gè)鐵人三項(xiàng)選手了，笑死。

[–]Extension-Chicken647 27 points 1 day ago

This. He simply isn't fit enough to play lots of minutes at the high pace of play the Blazers are using. Don't judge him until halfway through his second year.

開拓者球迷：正解！開拓者這快打旋風(fēng)，他這身板根本扛不了太久。等他打完第二個(gè)賽季中期再評價(jià)吧。

[–]AyKayAllDay47 -2 points 16 hours ago*

This always blows my mind. Yeah it's the NBA, I get that. But i can't fathom that especially as a young athlete, how could you get SO tired in your first entries into an NBA game? Because you spend a greater part of your life working out, conditioning, etc... like what are these guys doing in practice? How does Yang and even Clingan get so tired so fast? Battling in the paint? Throwing around big dudes? Because again, this is what the off season is for. I guess new big men just immediately get hit with a "-20 fatigue" penalty the second that they touch the floor? The NBA is elite, that's for sure. But I dunno, if I were to do anything above other things, it'd be getting myself game ready enough to where I don't get gassed after 5 minutes after finally getting my shot. EDIT - thanks for the replies. I'm not dogging in him. He has already been doing some great stuff on the court. Hopefully the kid keeps progressing in an upwards trajectory!

開拓者球迷：我真是想不通。是，NBA強(qiáng)度大，我懂。但一個(gè)年輕運(yùn)動員，剛上場沒幾分鐘就累趴，至于嗎？平時(shí)不都一直在練體能啥的嗎？他們訓(xùn)練到底在練啥？小楊甚至克林根也是一樣，咋就這么快沒電了？是在籃下肉搏累的？還是扛那些壯漢累的？這不正是休賽期該準(zhǔn)備的嘛？難道新人大個(gè)子上場就自帶“體力-20”的debuff？NBA是頂級，沒錯。但要是我，拼了命也得先把體能搞上來，總不能好不容易上場五分鐘就歇菜吧。

補(bǔ)充：謝謝回復(fù)。我不是在黑他，他場上有些表現(xiàn)很棒，希望這小伙兒繼續(xù)往上走！

[–]EarthwormJam 14 points 15 hours ago

Are you 7’2”, 270 lbs? I see your point, but also have no idea what it would feel like to move that much mass. And he’s only 20, so the muscle likely hasn’t caught up.

開拓者球迷：你是有2米18，122公斤嗎？我懂你意思，但我也想象不了移動那么大一坨肉是啥感覺。而且他才20，肌肉還肌肉量還沒完全跟上呢。

[–]Bacontroph Caleb Love 6 points 15 hours ago

He's only been with the team about 4 months and probably had some offseason time to himself. It takes a while to build up conditioning for any sport and we didn't draft him because he's a freak athlete.

開拓者球迷：他入隊(duì)才四個(gè)月，自己可能還休整了一段時(shí)間。練體能哪能一口吃成胖子？我們選他又不是因?yàn)樗莻€(gè)體能怪獸。

[–]simplearms 85 points 1 day ago

4 games in is way too early to judge your 16th pick bro. Stop overreacting and wait two years or so.

開拓者球迷：才打四場球就來評判咱的16號秀？兄弟，別那么戲精，等個(gè)兩年再說吧。

[–]foxcnnmsnbc 10 points 1 day ago

Brad Miller took longer than 2 years and he was a productive NCAA player. Yang is a project pick.

開拓者球迷：布拉德·米勒這種NCAA即戰(zhàn)力都花了兩年多適應(yīng)。小楊本來就是選來培養(yǎng)的。

[–]Daeksory97 28 points 1 day ago

He's a guy that was brought in because of potential honestly. I liked his game in Summer league, but his issues were pretty obvious. His defense is not good, and looks a little lost a good bit of the time on that end. I liked his offense, but knew it would change coming into regular season until he is more in the flow of everything. Super easy mismatch for lots of teams, especially the one's we've played against. In my eyes, just give him time to adjust to full pace NBA basketball and learn the language. Those are not small things to overcome, I expect he will look much better by the end of season with tons of room to improve still. He was never meant to be a guy who comes in and is great right away, which is totally fine. Just dont put all time best expectations on someone who's 4 games into his first season at this level and is just starting to learn the language. Otherwise you're gonna be super disappointed

開拓者球迷：說實(shí)話，選他就是看中了他的潛力。夏聯(lián)看他打球挺有意思，但毛病也明顯。防守不太行，經(jīng)常在防守端懵圈。進(jìn)攻有活兒，但知道進(jìn)了常規(guī)賽，在他適應(yīng)節(jié)奏前會吃力?，F(xiàn)在對面逮著他就是個(gè)錯位漏洞。要我說，就給他點(diǎn)時(shí)間適應(yīng)NBA的閃電戰(zhàn)和學(xué)英語吧。這倆都不是小事兒。估計(jì)賽季末就能像樣很多，而且潛力還大著呢。他本來就不是即戰(zhàn)力，這沒啥。別對一個(gè)才打4場球、英語剛?cè)腴T的新人抱持史上最強(qiáng)的期待，不然你得失望到姥姥家。

[–]mojomarc 2 points 22 hours ago

There's also a big difference in terms of how he was used in summer league. While not the complete focal point of the offense, he had the ball in his hands as a facilitator and pick/pop/roll option. He's just not getting the ball in his hands now, and I'm not even sure I can think of any time he was used that way in the regular season. So there is definitely a fish out of water thing going on there. On defense, I think he needs fitness and minutes. But offense, he's going to have a lot to learn if Splitter isn't going to let him cook a bit

開拓者球迷：而且他在夏聯(lián)和現(xiàn)在的用法天差地別。夏聯(lián)他雖然不是絕對核心，但也能持球組織、打打擋拆?，F(xiàn)在球都摸不到幾次，常規(guī)賽我都沒見他這么打過。所以現(xiàn)在肯定渾身不得勁。防守端需要體能和時(shí)間。進(jìn)攻端嘛，如果教練不給他點(diǎn)自由發(fā)揮的空間，那他可有得學(xué)了。

[–]lunes_azul 18 points 1 day ago

Terrible so far, but high hopes he’ll figure it out. His conditioning makes rookie Clingan look like a marathon runner. Needs to be sent to the G-League

開拓者球迷：目前來看是菜得摳腳，但還是相信他能開竅。他那體能，對比之下新秀克林根都能去跑馬拉松了。趕緊把他下放G聯(lián)賽練級吧。

[–]TheDoethrak 13 points 22 hours ago

People forget that Jokic, 3xMVP, did not even play his first year in the NBA after getting drafted. Give the guy some

開拓者球迷：大家都忘了，三屆MVP約老師新秀年可是直接閉關(guān)修煉了一年。給人家點(diǎn)時(shí)間好吧！

注：約基奇2104年被掘金選中，2014-15賽季沒有打NBA。

[–]ConsiderationLong381 8 points 1 day ago

too much playstation. not enough cardio. promising nonetheless

開拓者球迷：游戲打太多，有氧運(yùn)動做太少。不過底子還是好的。

[–]No-Plan-8837 9 points 22 hours ago

Imagine thinking a player will contribute right away after living in America for 4 months, learning the language and pace of the game at 20, 4 games into the regular season. Yall are impatient & delusional

開拓者球迷：想想看，一個(gè)20歲的小伙，來美國才四個(gè)月，要學(xué)語言、適應(yīng)節(jié)奏，常規(guī)賽才打了4場，你們就指望他立刻做出貢獻(xiàn)？你們真是又心急又愛做夢。

[–]notPabst404 14 points 1 day ago

Bad. But Yang was a development project, we need to give it at least 2 seasons before any significant judgement.

開拓者球迷：打得是爛。但小楊本來就是長期理財(cái)產(chǎn)品，至少持有個(gè)兩年再看盈虧吧。

[–]blazer4ever 13 points 1 day ago

He is good at setting screens but that does not show up on the stats sheet..defense needs work, and may never be there but too early to judge. Offense needs a breakout game. I hope he can get some reps in the G league to get some confidence back.

開拓者球迷：他擋拆做得挺瓷實(shí)，但這數(shù)據(jù)體現(xiàn)不出來。防守是硬傷，可能永遠(yuǎn)也練不出來了，但現(xiàn)在判死刑還太早。進(jìn)攻需要一場比賽來破冰。希望他去G聯(lián)賽找找狀態(tài)，刷點(diǎn)自信回來。

[–]mk9008 6 points 1 day ago

Feels like everyone got their hopes up that he'd be a revelation right away because the name Jokic was thrown around. It will take a few years until I feel like we can judge him truly. I don't think its fair to say that he looks bad because hes not trying hard enough or anything of that sort, he has a lot of things to overcome like the language barrier, cultural shift, and conditioning before he can even start working on the nitty gritty of his game.

開拓者球迷：感覺就因?yàn)槊襟w提了幾次約基奇，大家就都指望他立刻成神了。得等幾年才能真正評判他。說他不行是因?yàn)椴慌?，那太不公平了。他得先克服語言關(guān)、文化關(guān)、體能關(guān)，然后才能打磨技術(shù)細(xì)節(jié)呢。

[–]Gavinmusicman 7 points 1 day ago

I think something to consider is we are playing at a mad pace. Any rookie may struggle trying to keep up with how fast we’re trying to play. You can see the vets are really finding their footing tho in the decision making. We’re not in rebuild any more. I love yang. It’s just gonna take some time!

開拓者球迷：別忘了咱們現(xiàn)在打的是瘋狗節(jié)奏。任何新秀想跟上都得掉層皮。老將們決策都才剛找到感覺。如今我們已經(jīng)不再擺爛了。我喜歡小楊，只是他需要點(diǎn)時(shí)間！

[–]southpaw_balboa 3 points 1 day ago

i mean, he’s absolutely terrible and in way over his skis. but you can also watch him learn and improve on a possession to possession basis. i think there’s a real chance he winds up being pretty dece

開拓者球迷：就是說，他現(xiàn)在是菜到離譜，完全跟不上趟。但你也能看見他每個(gè)回合都在學(xué)在進(jìn)步。我覺得他最后真有可能混得相當(dāng)不錯的。

[–]Jooscee 4 points 1 day ago

Be patient. Let him adapt to the culture and speed of the game. The skill is there. Let it fall into place. Remember during the draft the initial quotes where he’s two years from being ready. He’s going to get in game shape and start to shine.

開拓者球迷：耐心點(diǎn)。讓他適應(yīng)適應(yīng)文化和節(jié)奏。技術(shù)是有的，水到自然渠成。選秀時(shí)不就說了他需要兩年準(zhǔn)備期嘛。等他把身體狀態(tài)調(diào)整好，自然會發(fā)光的。

[–]cbbrds25 Toumani Camara 4 points 23 hours ago

Compare it with Cedric Coward

開拓者球迷：這是拿他跟科沃德比呢。

[–]Smaug55 11 points 1 day ago

Would’ve rather had Coward

開拓者球迷：當(dāng)初還不如選科沃德呢。

注：灰熊今年選秀大會用16號簽（楊瀚森）+未來首輪簽+兩個(gè)次輪簽從開拓者換來11號簽（科沃德）?？莆值履壳皥鼍?6分3.8籃板2助攻。

[–]dubmecrazysabas 7 points 1 day ago

RemindMe! 5 years.

開拓者球迷：你給我設(shè)個(gè)鬧鐘！五年后鬧鐘一響，喊我回來打腫你的臉。

[–]StutzBob 4 points 23 hours ago

It's just a handful of games, doesn't mean anything. But when everyone is shocked you selected a player well above their draft projection, there's usually a reason for that. It's pretty rare to outsmart the conventional wisdom, and when it happens it's usually just dumb luck. I like Hansen but it was a silly pick.

開拓者球迷：幾場比賽而已，說明不了啥。但當(dāng)你跳選一個(gè)讓大家驚掉下巴的球員時(shí)，通常事出有因。想靠選秀出奇制勝很難，成功了多半也是撞大運(yùn)。我喜歡小楊，不過開拓者這次選人確實(shí)有點(diǎn)憨。

[–]MookieV 2 points 21 hours ago

Way too early to make any kind of assertions, I'm not worried though.

開拓者球迷：現(xiàn)在下任何結(jié)論都太早了，不過我是一點(diǎn)也不方。

[–]BakerNecessary1786 2 points 14 hours ago

Honestly I don't expect much for the first 1-2 seasons. If he is still only getting a few mins and minimal stats into next season I might start to get concerned. I'd be more worried about Sharpe shooting under 17% from 3 at this point.

開拓者球迷：說實(shí)話，頭一兩個(gè)賽季我沒啥期待。如果下賽季他還是只能撈到幾分鐘、數(shù)據(jù)墊底，我可能才會開始著急?，F(xiàn)階段我更擔(dān)心夏普三分都鐵到17%以下了啊喂?。?/strong>